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Post by loox on 7th July 2009, 11:18

Roadblocks

Despite numerous rulings by Judges against the practice of
Roadblocks for Traffic Fines, the Metro and other departments
continue on their intimidation routine of scaring motorists into
filling their coffers.

The reality though is that the process is legal, provided proper
procedures are followed.

First of all, you cannot be stopped and detained for an outstanding
fine, you can only be detained when there is a warrant of arrest
issued for you and this can only happen if there was a summons
issued and you did not appear in court for it.

Therefore, at a roadblock you have the right to ask for the summons
without which you cannot be detained. Many people are confused
about the issue of an electronic summons which may come to the
roadblock officers by sms or other means, I go into this matter in
the Toolkit and it is important to know.

The biggest problem however is that you find yourself in a very
intimidating situation so you should know how to handle it from the
moment the officer comes to your car window asking for your driving
licence, I have a system that works 99% of the time to get the
officer to hand you back your licence immediately and just let you
continue, and it doesn't involve bribery.

For those times though when you do have a warrant of arrest issued
for you because of not appearing in court on a summons, the matter
is a little different, first of all DO NOT RESIST ARREST. There was
an erroneous letter circulating purporting to be from the Law
Society stating that you should resist arrest, the Law Society has
explained that this is not from them and in fact you should not
resist arrest. There are ways of dealing with the situation however
and I suggest that you get your hands on my Toolkit for all the
details and what to do in such a situation.

This was the last in the 4 part introductory course on dealing with
Traffic Fines. The information presented was only the tip of the
iceberg and I really suggest that you go to my website and purchase
the Toolkit if you want to get the upper hand on your Traffic
Fines, it will probably pay itself by just getting 1 or at most 2
fines cancelled in most cases.
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Post by loox on 7th July 2009, 11:21

So my first lesson here is don't admit guilt, as I mentioned before you
are admitting guilt by paying the fine, but there is another way
that is even more confusing and you should take careful note of this:

When you are stopped on the road for speeding, the officer will
often ask why you were driving so fast, if you give some reason or
excuse you have admitted guilt!

Rather keep quiet or say something else, but don't say anything that
will imply you admit anything, just ask to see the readings on the
machine and as you do, take careful note of how the equipment is set
up, whether the officer is in full uniform, if there are any
obstructions close to the camera and the other details that are
mentioned in the Traffic Fines Toolkit checklist. This will put you
in an excellent position to defend yourself in court by introducing
technicalities which invalidate the fine.

In conclusion, a fine is only an allegation that is as yet
unproven. It is the traffic department's duty to prove you are
guilty and that is not an easy task. You can make it easier by
admitting guilt, and that is what they intimidate you into doing,
so don't do it.

n the next part I am going to tell you more about the methods used
by the Traffic Department to trap you and also show you why the
system is flawed and full of errors.

If you want to get your hands on all the information as well as the
full checklists and photo assessment guide, go to my website and
purchase the Traffic Fines Toolkit.
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Post by Mud Pooh-bah on 7th July 2009, 13:04

Thanks for the post loox.

It seems that there is quite a lot of procedures that must be in place before you actually have to pay a fine. Not sure if this is gonna help if you are arrested and have to spent a night with Bubba in a jail cell Shocked My experience is by the time you have showed these clowns that they have performed the deed of wrongful arrest, Bubba and his chums might have performed the dirty deed with you already.

You can buy the toolkit at x amount and study up on all the technicalities. But I believe the cost effective way is just too learn to read and understand the road signals and learn to drive/ride your vehicle accordingly Very Happy
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Post by LeRoy Olivier on 7th July 2009, 14:16

A mouthfull - principle is stay of the highways and look up on the toolkit what is relevant. Chris havent heard from you in a long time - new wife keeping you busy???? werk bietjie aan die huwelik - hier wil ek dit he en daar wil ek dat he????
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Post by GSlady on 13th July 2009, 17:57

Makes you think...

An e-mail doing its rounds last few days:
Take note that the De-Merit system is in place as from twelve o clock last night. Points are put on scale under your ID No. on the system for any traffic violations and thus you can unknowingly lose your license.

This morning, numerous people from Unisa as well as from Onderstepoort animal research station (Cruvet) were pulled over and received serious fines. There is no longer a 10km/h grace for exceeding the speed limit. They fine as from km one.
Starting today, they are going full-out.

Although in the The Star of July 7 the following was published:

The points demerit system will only be operational by November 2010.
This was confirmed by Road Traffic Management Corporation CEO Ranthoko Rakgoale on Tuesday.
He said the email being circulated stating that the system was already up and running was false.


Whatever the case may be: Shouldn't we just obey the traffic rules in any case?
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Post by LeRoy Olivier on 13th July 2009, 20:44

And lose part of the pleasure of biking - exceeding the speedlimit
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Post by JCM on 14th July 2009, 17:43

Oor spoedkameras en lokvalle het ons nou al die meeste opsies gehoor/oordink.....vanaf n relatief passiewe laizzes faire benadering, n kom ons uitoorle hulle soveel as moontlik benadering tot en met die zero tolerance benadering wat dikwels aan New York se Rudy Giuliani toegeskryf word. So, ek gaan nie hier nou weer hierop in nie behalwe om te se dat ek in beginsel heelhartig saamstem met Pieter wat skryf dat You can buy the toolkit at x amount and study up on all the technicalities. But I believe the cost effective way is just too learn to read and understand the road signals and learn to drive/ride your vehicle accordingly en Dani wat se dat Whatever the case may be: Shouldn't we just obey the traffic rules in any case?

Ek is vroeer vanmiddag besig met n ontspanningsrit op die Delmaspad na Bapsfontein en dan weer terug met Lynwoodweg. So tussen 13 en 15 kilometer vanaf die laaste Pretoria-huise (op die Delmaspad) tref die Suid-Afrikaanse realiteite my toe egter opeens soos n hamerslag: Een of ander verkeersbeampte met n mobiele laser/radar apparaat in die hand besig met n spoedlokval. Om hom is vier motorvoertuie so tussen vyf meter en twintig meter van hom af. Gedagtig aan Loox wat gister gese het dat You will be surprised to know that (it) is the norm of the Traffic Department to operate their cameras not according to the standards which then makes almost every fine they issue invalid. Some of the standards include: There should be no object (eg, car, barriers, signs) within 50m of the radar/laser gun lyk die hele besigheid toe vir my na n kom-ons-zap-hulle partytjie (vir staats/munisipale koffers) eerder as na n legitieme padveiligheidspoging..... wat dit eintlik behoort te wees!!

Terwyl ek op hierdie onderwerp is: Ek vermoed motorfietsryers gaan dit moeilik he vanaf November 2010 omdat die 10 kpu grasie (waar motoriste byvoorbeeld eers vanaf 131 kpu beboet word in n 120 kpu sone) dan glo verval?? Die meeste motorfietsryers het nie n spoedkontrole-fasiliteit op hulle fietse nie en ek meen dit is doodgewoon moeiliker vir n motorfiets om n spoed van presies 119 of 120 kpu oor n lang afstand te handhaaf as n motor. Om die waarheid te se, ek vermoed dit is basies gevaarlik om die hele tyd jou spoedmeter dop te hou in plaas van die pad voor jou of die motors langs/agter jou.
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Post by LeRoy Olivier on 14th July 2009, 20:49

Is waar - mens gaan dit dan maar so uit die hoek van jou oog moet doen. Die modelle met spoedkontrole sal natuurlik nie die probleem he nie.
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Post by Mud Pooh-bah on 15th July 2009, 18:40

Alle spoedmeters het 'n toleransie van omtrent 7-8%. Hulle kan dus nie vir baie praktiese redes jou vanaf die presiese merk begin beboet nie omdat die voertuie se meet apparaat nie akkuraat genoeg is nie. Vir daardie rede is die 10km/h grasie ingebou. Nie seker of die manne hulle huiswerk mooi gedoen het op die een nie. Ek is vir nakoming van die wet, maar dan moet dit darem ook prakties uitvoerbaar wees.
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Post by Marnus on 15th July 2009, 18:49

Volgende ding wat ons hoor is dat al ons karre & bikes moet ingaan na spesiaal-geakkrediteerde instansies om die spoedmeters te ondersoek en kalibreer en sertifiseer. En dan moet jy dit elke 5 jaar laat doen en dit kos jou elke keer 'n paar honderd rand. En dan werk die stelsel nie waar jy jou bespreking moet maak nie en nou en dan word groot sindikate blootgele wat vervalsde spoedmeter sertifiserings op die swart mark verkoop het. Dan maak Carte Blanche 'n geheime video daaroor en dan ontken al wat 'n regeringsampternaar is dat daar fout is. Dan gaan ons maar weer aan van daar af.

Sorry... ek was lus om te kla Surprised
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Post by JCM on 15th July 2009, 18:56

Marnus wrote:
Sorry... ek was lus om te kla Surprised

Jou klagte is verfrissend en vang die realiteit vas! Laughing
Lyk of jy George Orwell se Animal Farm gelees het!!
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Post by LeRoy Olivier on 15th July 2009, 21:41

Klink reg - volgende vragie in die sorry saga - hulle kan nie eens nou die jaarliks aanwas van nuwe aansoekers wat die mark betree, hanteer nie. Hoe de d????r gaan hulle die ook nog hanteer, want lets face it - hulle gaan die gebruik en so veel moontlik boetes in die eerste tyd na die implementering van die demerit stelsel - Nov 09 - skryf - mos goeie inkomste bron.
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Post by Mud Pooh-bah on 22nd July 2009, 09:12

Copied below from News24. I think this illustrates the point that if you take care of the small sins the bigger ones will be easier to keep in check..

"Cape Town - He was a wanted man in South Africa and for 10 years evaded the FBI and Interpol but a simple traffic offence got Walter Wright in the end.

Wright, 68, had been on the run since 1999 when he was charged for wire and mail fraud in South Africa.

A Tennessee policeman who has been working for less than a year caught the fugitive travelling 24km/h over the 56km/h speed limit.

Wright had complained of chest pains during his arrest and was taken to Williamson Medical Centre.

Members of the FBI's Violent Crime and Gang Task Force immediately rushed to the hospital to keep watch over Wright.

He is expected to be returned to South Africa following judicial proceedings in the US.

The police officer who arrested Wright, Sam Greer has been working since 2008.

After the arrest, Greer said: "You never know what you will find when you stop someone for something as simple as speeding." "
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Post by LeRoy Olivier on 22nd July 2009, 12:29

Ja - is waar - die oorgrote meederheid van ons se enigste oortreding is dat ons soms 'n bietjie te vinnig ry - en dit is al. Bedoel wat is 170 nou in 'n 120 km sone - LT idle dan min of meer.
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