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Post by JCM on 1st December 2009, 15:55

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Post by JCM on 1st December 2009, 15:57

Gemmerkat wrote:
Gemmerkat Today at 14:28


Scary!!!! I would love to give him a PK.

Dis @@@holes soos hy wat die naam "Biker" nie werd is nie.
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Post by tj on 1st December 2009, 16:32

Nou wil ook graag 'n ander kilp in die bos gooi;

Sowat twee weke gelede het ek die laaste besoek aan die lisensiekantoor gebring in die proses om my PBP (en dus ook my bestuurslisensie) te hernu. (PBP= publieke bestuurspermit)

Toe noem die dame agter die toonbank dat sy nie die lisensie kan uitreik nie daar ek boetes teen my naam het twv R1080. Sy gee toe 'n dokument wat ek na die ander lisensiekantoor moet neem en moet daar my naam 'skoon kry' alvorens my lisensie uitgereik mag word.

Nou is my vraag:
1. Ek het nie 'n idee watse boetes dit kan wees nie aangesien ek geen boetedagvaardings teen my het nie, daar is wel 'n paar boetes 'voor dagvaarding' waarvoor ek dan wag vir die dagvaardings om beteken te word
2. Sou ek nou hierdie saak opvolg en die boetes betaal, net om my naam 'skoon' te kry om my lisensie te kan kry, dan word ek die reg tot 'n regverdige verhoor ontneem.
3. Sou ek nie die boetes betaal nie mag ek ook nie wettig bestuur nie.
4. Dit lyk of die owerheid die maklike uitweg neem om betalings te in. Dalk is die koste verbonde aan die betekening van dagvaardings hoog. Al my voertuie is korrek geregistreer met die regte adres en die onus is nie op my om enige boetes op te volg nie?

My gevoel is dat hierdie aksie ongrondwetlik is! Wat s julle?
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Post by LeRoy Olivier on 1st December 2009, 18:48

Klink my hier is weer 'n hijack aan die gang - stuur vir my 'n epos met al die detail dan gaan ek die klip vir die regte mense in die Stadsraad gooi.

Wat betref die idioot wat soos 'n besetene in beboude gebied jaag - dink mens moet dalk van die Klub se kant 'n kommentaar vir die koerant skryf - vanuit die perspektief van die verantwoordelike BMW ryer????

As jy wil sal ek vir jou draft opstel????
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Post by tj on 1st December 2009, 20:05

As mens kyk na die opskrif van hierdie thread lyk dit nie vir my na 'n hijack nie...

Ek stem nie saam om hierdie spoedvark-storie op te volg nie, veral nie in die openbare media nie. In sulke tye moet mens jou profiel laag hou. Soos in gholf op 'n winderige dag.

Wil nie graag die klub onderwerp aan 'n tweede ThinkBike situasie nie. Ons het te veel styl...
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Post by Marnus on 1st December 2009, 20:39

Gemmerkat wrote:Scary!!!! I would love to give him a PK.

Dis @@@holes soos hy wat die naam "Biker" nie werd is nie.

Oh! I love it when you talk foreign!


But seriously, that's why I have a preference for gravel. Much less politics in the platteland
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Post by iceman on 2nd December 2009, 12:07

TJ

Ek wil nogal saam met jou stem. Dit is ongrondwetlik. Hoe moet 'n mens weet van enige uistaande boetes, ens. Daar word nie voorsiening gemaak om dit iewers na te gaan nie.

Met ander woorde dit stel hulle in staat om enige tyd boetes teen my naam te sit en ek sal nie eers weet daarvan nie. Dan kry 'n mens 'n verrassing die dag as jy jou lisensie wil hernu. En soos jy s, moet ek eers betaal om my lisensie te kry, of los ek dit en wag vir 'n dagvaardiging, wat my net meer in die moeilikheid gaan bring want dan ry ek sonder 'n lisensie, om nie eers te praat van die agterstallige geld op die laat hernuwing van die lisensie nie.

Gee ons 'n manier om boetes na te gaan, en as ek skuldig is sal ek betaal, om verrassing te vermy.

Dink regtig die is ongrondwetlik, maar hulle sal dit seker nie verander nie, want op die manier kan hulle geld inkry sonder om regtig baie werk te doen.
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Post by tj on 2nd December 2009, 13:31

Ek is verheug om te sien iemand stem met my saam.

Ek onthou in die jare laat 70/vroe 80 het die Pretoria Stadsraad ook hierdie ding gedoen en is dit skielik stopgesit. Daar moes 'n goeie rede voor gewees het - dalk 'n hofuitspraak daardie tyd wat vandag steeds afdwingbaar is?

Wat van 'n klasaksie in 'n hofinterdik om hierdie praktyk stop te sit?

Wie ken 'n goeie regskenner wat ons hierin kan adviseer?

Persoonlik moet ek noem dat my basiese lisensie verval eers oor drie jaar, dis net die PBP wat nou ter sprake is. My saak is ook in die Ekurhuleni ter sprake, nie Pretoria nie
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Post by DeonP on 2nd December 2009, 13:36

My spanner in the works . . .

I have registered with Payfine.co.za. They email you if you get a fine. Is booked against you ID number.

Not the best email to receive, but at least you are informed.

The only problem with Payfine.co.za is that it does not show fines from other areas other than Gauteng ( I think ).
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Post by tj on 2nd December 2009, 13:43

One way to get to know you have a fine, I agree. Now that you know, what do you do to defend the accusation without a summons to court? Do you go and beg for a summons?

There is a big story lately of officials trapping (for speed) at places not as per their PP appointment or in the wrong direction, or without the necessary documentation at the time. Good reasons to have the fine withdrawn - because you are innocent!

You have rights!

But now they try to sidestep your rights with this license issue barring
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Post by DeonP on 2nd December 2009, 16:03

Fully agree.

I recently paid a fine on Payfine.co.za like a law abiding citizen .

I paid the full amount, only to find out I could have paid half when the fine eventually arrived in the post !!

The only thing I like about Payfine.co.za is that you can print out all your fines that you have paid - on a list. I keep that list in the car for the next roadblock !
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Post by LeRoy Olivier on 2nd December 2009, 17:26

Might be a good idee to register here as it allows one to keep track your transgressions.
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Post by tj on 2nd December 2009, 18:00

Register where?
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Post by LeRoy Olivier on 2nd December 2009, 20:06

Refer to Deons posting - Payfine.co.za - given the 50% one gets for paying upfront it might be a good idee.
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Post by Marnus on 2nd December 2009, 20:15

I'm also registered on payfine.co.za and it's nice to see the photo if they caught you by camera. I do however pay my fines mostly at the ATM (I bank with FNB), and it automatically deducts the 50% early payment from the full amount.
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Post by Daleen on 3rd December 2009, 09:52

I am very happy to report that I have no fines. Very Happy Don't know how that is possible though..... Wink
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Post by tj on 3rd December 2009, 09:54

...want jy ry te veel grondpad
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Post by Daleen on 3rd December 2009, 09:59

Ek dink weer dis omdat Martin altyd voor ry. Very Happy Hy is baie meer verantwoordelik as ek. Razz
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Post by DaveS on 3rd December 2009, 10:48

I check on payfine and then wait for the fine in the post before I pay it.

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Post by tj on 3rd December 2009, 11:49

So you do Dave. But what if you are innocent to one or two? What do you do then? Obviously still not paying them. Now you wait for the summons, which never arrives!

I checked on payfine today and found 8 fines spaced over 3 years totalling R1675.00. Sounds a lot but spread over 11 licenced vehicles with 6 dedicated drivers it is not much.

Now the real funnies start:
- The original R1080 against my name is not reflected here logically, and was confirmed yesterday not being from Ekurhuleni. Some other authority instructs Ekurhuleni to block my license issue
- These fines on the payfine list are only Johannesburg
- No telephone number, email, website at all to follow this up. Ekurhuleni yesterday gave a tel number that is not answered.

I am at a loss. If I pay these listed 'payfine' fines and it is not them blocking where do I go from here?

Lekker deurmekaar this system - and I refuse to back down to a system that can be faulty or illegal!
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Post by Corlia on 3rd December 2009, 15:41

Sias is supposed to tell this himself (so I'm hoping I've got my facts right):

But upon receipt of his last fine in the post, the date for the 50% discount has already passed. He wrote to them saying that it is unacceptable receiving a notice that late and that he would have paid it, however such a long time has passed and he can no longer remember what could have possibly caused him to ride above the speed limit. And then, a couple of weeks later he received a letter back from them informing him that the fine has been cancelled.

So, in my opinion, its worth the try to write to them before paying the fine.
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